2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN
What owners reported to NHTSA, ranked by how often and how seriously.
This is complaint data, not a random sample.
It only includes owners who chose to file a federal complaint, so it over-represents dramatic and safety-related problems and under-represents minor issues an owner just had fixed without reporting. Read this as what NHTSA complainants report most, not as this vehicle's true failure rate. Full methodology.
Component ranking
- #1
power windows and locks
246 unsafe, 19 broken, 79 annoyance
344incidentsTypical range: 45,000–75,500 miMedian 60,000 mi, based on 263 reports (41% had no usable mileage)
- "BOTH OF THE SLIDING DOORS ARE STUCK IN THE LOCK POSITION"~12,558 mi, complaint #1721426
- "BOTH THE DRIVER SIDE AND PASSENGER SIDE REAR POWER SLIDING DOORS WILL NOT OPEN MANUALLY OR VIA THE POWER BUTTONS ON THE KEY. THE DRIVER SIDE REAR DOOR DID STOPPED OPENING AT 38K MILES AND THE PASSENGER SIDE REAR DOOR STOPPED WORKING AT 46K. THIS IS A SAFETY IS…"~46,250 mi, complaint #1582856
- "REAR LEFT SLIDING DOOR LOCK ACTUATOR FAILED IN LOCKED POSITION - TRAPPING REAR SEAT OCCUPANTS IN VEHICLE."~60,000 mi, complaint #1676089
- "2016 GRAND CARAVAN R/T - DRIVER SIDE SLIDING DOOR LOCK IS STUCK. IT RESPONDS TO NOTHING. PRESSING THE DOME PANEL BUTTON DOES NOTHING. TRYING TO LOCK/UNLOCK WITH THE DRIVER'S LOCK BUTTON OR THE REMOTE DOES NOTHING. THE DOOR LOCK SWITCH MOVES, BUT HAS…"~75,484 mi, complaint #1586528
- "THE DRIVER SIDE SLIDING DOOR HAD BEEN WORKING PERFECTLY. ON VACATION WE WERE PARKED AT OUR SON'S WHEN WE TRIED TO OPEN IT IT IS IN A LOCKED POSITION NOTHING WILL RELEASE IT WE HAVE TRIED THE CAR FOB, MANUALLY, AND THE CONTROLLER ON THE UPPER CONSOLE. IT IS A…"~646,500 mi, complaint #1589988
- #2
door latch and hinge
188 unsafe, 12 broken, 7 annoyance
207incidentsTypical range: 40,000–70,000 miMedian 55,000 mi, based on 168 reports (36% had no usable mileage)
- "THE DRIVER'S SIDE SLIDING DOOR ON OUR 2016 DODGE CARAVAN CANNOT BE OPENED. IT STOPPED WORKING AFTER HAVING THE VEHICLE FOR LESS THAN TWO YEARS. IT CANNOT BE OPENED FROM THE INSIDE OR OUTSIDE WHICH IS A SAFETY CONCERN FOR PASSENGERS TRYING TO GET OUT OF THE VEH…"~12,000 mi, complaint #1680146
- "DRIVER SIDE SLIDING DOOR IS STUCK IN LOCK POSITION AND CANNOT BE MANUALLY OR OTHERWISE UNLOCKED FROM THE INSIDE OR OUTSIDE. JUST HAPPENED ONE DAY NOTHING SPECIFICALLY TRIGGERED THE DOOR TO BE STUCK. THE VEHICLE WAS STATIONARY."~40,000 mi, complaint #1582916
- "THE LATCH SYSTEM IN MY SLIDING DOORS ARE GOING OUT. APPARENTLY THIS IS A VERY COMMON PROBLEM WITH DODGE VANS, ESPECIALLY 2016 MODELS. I ONLY HAVE 58K ON THE VAN AND HAVE ONLY OWNED IT 2 YEARS. I MAINTAIN THE VAN WELL. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. A LOUD BUZZING SOUND O…"~56,000 mi, complaint #1584481
- "THE DRIVER SIDE REAR SLIDING DOOR WILL NOT OPEN. IT APPEARS TO BE STUCK IN THE LOCKED POSITION AND ANY ATTEMPTS TO UNLOCK IT, EITHER WITH THE FOB, ALL DRIVER (DOOR & OVERHEAD) LOCK/OPEN BUTTONS, OR MANUALLY TRYING TO MOVE THE LOCK, FAIL TO RELEASE IT. THIS OCC…"~74,000 mi, complaint #1666769
- "THE DRIVER SIDE SLIDING DOOR WILL NOT OPEN AS THE LOCK APPEARS TO BE STUCK. CANNOT MANUALLY UNLOCK OR OPEN THE DOOR. VEHICLE WAS STATIONARY AS IT JUST RANDOMLY WOULD NOT OPEN ONE MORNING."~139,000 mi, complaint #1694620
- #3
transmission automatic
26 stranded, 109 unsafe
135incidentsTypical range: 68,500–107,500 miMedian 87,500 mi, based on 104 reports (44% had no usable mileage)
- "WHILE DRIVING ON INTERSTATE RPMS BEGAN JUMPING TO 5 AND 6 AND THE CAR WAS JERKING. PULLED OVER AND NOTICED TRANSMISSION FLUID LEAKING. THERE WAS NO DAMAGE TO THE VEHICLE TO CAUSE THIS. WE HAVE HAD THE CAR 3 WEEKS AND HAVEN'T EVEN MADE A PAYMENT YET BECAUSE IT…"~1,848 mi, complaint #1316099
- "AT 60,500 MILES WHILE DRIVING AT 60MPH THE TRANSMISSION LOST HYDRAULIC POWER AND WE WERE FORCED TO GET TOWED FROM THE HIGHWAY TO A LOCAL AAMCO TRANSMISSION REPAIR SHOP. THE VEHICLE WAS DIAGNOSED AS HAVING NO HYDRAULIC PRESSURE AND THE MECHANIC THEORIZED THAT T…"~68,510 mi, complaint #1450567
- "3 YEAR OLD VAN, PURCHASED NEW, LESS THAN 100K MILES, TRANSMISDON DIED & CAR IS OUT OF WARRANTY. NO HELP FROM DODGE OR DEALERSHIP."~85,000 mi, complaint #1583034
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated while his wife was driving at an unknown speed, the vehicle stalled without warning. After the vehicle was restarted, his wife could not accelerate the vehicle above 25 MPH but was able to drive t…"~103,000 mi, complaint #1769863
- "The contact’s son owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated that while driving at an undisclosed speed, the vehicle made an abnormal sound, the transmission unintendedly shifted, and the vehicle failed to return to normal operation. No warning lights…"~151,283 mi, complaint #2132893
- #4
engine stall or no start
5 stranded, 35 unsafe
40incidentsTypical range: 33,000–80,500 miMedian 60,000 mi, based on 44 reports (44% had no usable mileage)
- "THIS VEHICLE WAS PURCHASED WITH LESS THAN 2K MILES ON IT AND IN THE MONTH TIMEFRAME I HAVE HAD IT, IT HAS STALLED 3 TIMES ON ME. ONCE WHILE DRIVING ON A BUSY ROAD AND TWICE IN MY DRIVEWAY. THE TIME ON THE BUSY ROAD WAS WHEN I WAS KEEPING UP WITH TRAFFIC AT ABO…"~1,900 mi, complaint #1375368
- "TURN THE KEY OFF AND ENGINE DOESN'T SHUT OFF. NEEDED TO REMOVE FUEL PUMP FUSE TO STOP ENGINE"~35,987 mi, complaint #1572930
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated that on several occasions, while inserting the key into the ignition, the vehicle failed to start. Additionally, on several occasions while driving at various speeds, the vehicle stalled. The cont…"~52,000 mi, complaint #2165363
- "VEHICLE WAS IN MOTION GOING DOWN ROAD WOULD REV REAL HIGH LIKE IT WAS A NEUTRAL EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE TO THE POINT WHERE IT DOESN'T WANT TO MOVE"~79,000 mi, complaint #1726854
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated that while driving at an undisclosed speed, the vehicle stalled, and the vehicle failed to shift into gear properly. There was no warning light illuminated. The contact became aware there was oil…"~225,419 mi, complaint #2093312
- #5
engine internal
23 unsafe
23incidentsCommonly reported, insufficient mileage data - n=19, median 80,000 mi, no reliable range below 25 reports.
- "VEHICLE WAS PARKED WHEN A FIRE STARTED IN THE ENGINE COMPARTMENT. SEE UPLOADED DOCUMENT FOR FULL DETAILS. *DT *TR *DT FCA DOCUMENT CONFIDENTIAL 'PARTS OF THIS DOCUMENT HAVE BEEN REDACTED TO PROTECT PERSONALLY IDENTIFIABLE INFORMATION PURSUANT TO THE FR…"~12,291 mi, complaint #1594438
- "THE FIRST THING TO GO WRONG WITH THIS VEHICLE WAS THE TELEVISION STOPPED WORKING AND THEY FIXED IT ONCE AND IT WENT OUT AGAIN BUT I DID NOT TAKE IT BACK BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE COST ME OUT OF POCKET .THE NEXT THING TO GO WRONG WAS THE DRIVER SIDE BACK DOOR WOULD…"~65,965 mi, complaint #1619418
- "MY VAN HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH A CYLINDER 5 MISS FIRE I HAVE REPLACED THE FUEL INJECTOR, SPARK PLUGS, AND IGNITOR PLUGS. WHEN THE VEHICLE STARTS I HEAR A KNOCK IN THE MOTOR AND THE DOES NOT RUN SMOOTHLY. WHILE MOVING THE VEHICLE SOMETIMES STRUGGLES TO GAIN SPE…"~96,000 mi, complaint #1674101
- "WHEN IDLING THE CYLINDER #2 MISS FIRES, TUNE UP WAS DONE, OIL CHANGED, I SEARCHED THE VIN NUMBER AND IT SAYS NO RECALLS"~114,000 mi, complaint #1687527
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated that while operating the vehicle, there was an abnormal knocking sound coming from the engine compartment, with the check engine warning light remaining illuminated. The cause of the failure was n…"~140,000 mi, complaint #2229658
- #6
seat mechanism
18 unsafe, 2 broken
20incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=9)
- "WHEN I COLLAPSE THE SECOND ROW SEATS IN MY 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN, THE HEAD REST SNAP DOWNWARD, EXTREMELY FAST WITH A POWERFUL FORCE. I AM REQUIRED TO PULL ON A HANDLE ON THE DOORSIDE OF THE SEAT, WHICH BEGINS THE AUTOMATIC PROCESS OF THE FOLDING OF THE CHAI…"~18,000 mi, complaint #1604439
- "THE DRIVER'S SIDE HEADREST HAS DEPLOYED ON IT'S OWN WHILE PARKED IN A DRIVEWAY AND TURNED OFF. AFTER INSPECTION, THE PLASTIC BRACKETS THAT RETAIN THE METAL PIN THAT IS SUPPOSED TO SECURE THE HEADREST BROKE APART AND RELEASED THE HEADREST INTO A DEPLOYED POSIT…"~52,000 mi, complaint #1712961
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated that while the vehicle was parked, the front driver's side headrest stem fractured. The contact stated that the vehicle was not occupied when the failure occurred. The contact zip-tied the headres…"~71,567 mi, complaint #2143334
- "THE FRONT PASSENGER HEADREST POPPED FORWARD WHILE ADJUSTING THE SEAT TO LOAD EQUIPMENT IN THE REAR FLOORBOARD COMPARTMENT. THE PLASTIC ASSEMBLY THAT HOLDS THE METAL PIN WHICH IS USED TO KEEP THE HEADREST IN ITS NORMAL POSITION HAD BROKEN. THIS IS APPARENTLY A…"~79,000 mi, complaint #1740194
- "THE VAN WAS IN PARK, OFF, LOCKED AND UNOCCUPIED, IN MY DRIVEWAY, ON A LEVEL SURFACE, WHEN THE DRIVER SIDE FRONT SEAT HEADREST SAFETY SYSTEM DEPLOYED. IT WAS DISCOVERED WHEN WE WERE PREPARING TO LEAVE. THE PLASTIC TABS ON THE INSIDE OF THE HEADREST APPEAR TO HA…"~104,358 mi, complaint #1609520
- #7
other
12 unsafe, 5 annoyance
17incidentsCommonly reported, insufficient mileage data - n=12, median 65,000 mi, no reliable range below 25 reports.
- "THE 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN WAS THE DIRECT CAUSE OF INJURY DURING APPROPRIATE AND EXPECTED USE OF THE VEHICLE. THE VEHICLE DID NOT MALFUNCTION. I WAS SITTING IN THE MIDDLE LEFT PASSENGER'S SEAT WHILE THE VEHICLE WAS IN PARK. I WAS NOT WEARING A SEATBELT BEC…"~12,000 mi, complaint #1378546
- "THE MIDDLE BENCH SEAT IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH TO SAFELY HOLD AN INFANT CAR SEAT EVEN THOUGH IT HAS A LATCH SYSTEM FOR THE CAR SEAT. THE INFANT CAR SEAT HANGS OFF THE SEAT AND IS NOT SAFELY SUPPORTED BY THE SEAT AN CHRYSLER HAS NO SAFE ALTERNATIVE TO FIX THE SAFETY…"~15,000 mi, complaint #1389482
- "LOUD BUZZING NOISE ON SLIDING DOOR UNLOCKING MECHANISM REAR PASSENGER"~45,000 mi, complaint #1638464
- "WHILE DRIVING ON AN EXPRESSWAY (70MPH) AT NIGHT I HEARD A LOUD BANG ON THE DRIVER'S WINDOW. I THOUGHT A BAT OR BIRD HAD HIT THE WINDOW. WHEN I GOT HOME I SAW THAT THE NOISE WAS DUE TO THE EXTERIOR WINDOW MOLDING ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE FLYING OFF. THANKFULLY N…"~89,000 mi, complaint #1572971
- "Odometer Fraud. The contact purchased a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact discovered a mileage discrepancy after purchasing the vehicle. The vehicle was a dealer sale. At the time of purchase, the mileage was approximately 116,000. The contact stated that…"~131,000 mi, complaint #2160014
- #8
airbag system
13 unsafe, 3 annoyance
16incidentsCommonly reported, insufficient mileage data - n=20, median 58,000 mi, no reliable range below 25 reports.
- "The contact owned a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated that while driving at 70 mph, the vehicle crashed into an animal and the airbags failed to deploy. Van rolled after about 100 feet it stopped. No police report was filed. The vehicle was towed to…"~25,000 mi, complaint #1750445
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNED A 2016 DODGE CARAVAN. WHILE DRIVING 50 MPH, THE CONTACT STRUCK ANOTHER VEHICLE ON THE FRONT DRIVER'S SIDE FENDER. THE AIR BAGS DID NOT DEPLOY. A POLICE REPORT WAS FILED. THE CONTACT SUSTAINED NECK AND BACK INJURIES, WHICH DID NOT REQUIRE…"~56,000 mi, complaint #1503947
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated that upon starting the vehicle, the air bag warning light was illuminated. The vehicle was taken to the local dealer, who was unable to duplicate the failure due to the warning light no longer bei…"~70,000 mi, complaint #1929314
- "ON JUNE 21 2019 MY WIFE AND I DROVE TO OUR IVF DOCTORS APPOINTMENT FROM OUR HOME IN WACO TEXAS TO HOUSTON TEXAS. ON OUR TRIP BACK HOME THE AIR BAG LIGHT CAME ON AS SHE WAS DRIVING OUR 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. SHE TOOK A PICTURE OF THE DASHBOARD THE LIGHT WEN…"~88,000 mi, complaint #1577419
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNED A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. THE CONTACT STATED WHILE DRIVING AT 60 MPH, A DEER JUMPED IN FRONT WHICH RESULTED IN THE VEHICLE BECOMING DESTROYED. UPON IMPACT TO THE FRONT END OF VEHICLE, NO AIR BAGS DEPLOYED IN VEHICLE. THE CONTACT SUFFERE…"~135,000 mi, complaint #1734604
- #9
control module
1 stranded, 8 unsafe
9incidentsCommonly reported, insufficient mileage data - n=16, median 24,500 mi, no reliable range below 25 reports.
- "I WAS DRIVING AT 2 OR 3 MPH IN HEAVY TRAFFIC ON A CITY STREET AND THE CAR ACCELERATED WHEN I TOUCHED THE BRAKE. PRESSURE ON THE BRAKE PEDAL WOULD NOT STOP THE VEHICLE AND IT CRASHED INTO THE CAR AHEAD, PUSHING IT INTO THE SECOND CAR AHEAD. EVENTUALLY THE RPMS…"~2,000 mi, complaint #1288369
- "WE BOUGHT A 2016 DODGE CARAVAN AND HAD A "REMOTE" START INSTALLED THROUGH THE DEALERSHIP. THE VAN WOULD SHUT OFF WHEN THE REMOTE START WAS USED, SOMETIMES. WHEN IT SHUT OFF IN NEUTRAL, BEFORE I COULD EVEN MAKE IT INTO THE VAN, THE ELECTRICAL ACTED LIKE IT WAS…"~24,503 mi, complaint #1415406
- "AZ - 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN R/T, APPROX 63,500 MI. 2 WEEKS AGO I WENT TO START THE VEHICLE AND IT WOULDN'T START. I ASSUMED IT WAS THE BATTERY BECAUSE ITS A FAIRLY NEW VEHICLE. I GAVE IT A JUMP AND THE VEHICLE STARTED. I SET THE TIME AS IT HAD RESET TO 12:00…"~63,500 mi, complaint #1501508
- "I HAD BEEN HAVING ISSUES WITH THE GAUGES STARTED FLASHING AND GOING CRAZY ON THE 2ND DAY AFTER HAVING IT. THEN AT TIMES I WOULD BE LOCKED OUT FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME. AFTER THE OIL PUMP IN THE TRANSMISSION WENT OUT I HAD IT CHECKED FOR CODES AND IT SHOWED…"~65,000 mi, complaint #1559169
- "WHILE DRIVING, SEVERAL DASH PANEL LIGHTS FLASHED, LOST POWER STEERING, LOST ABILITY TO INCREASE SPEED WITH GAS PEDAL. ENGINE STAYED ON BUT ONLY AT IDLE. ABLE TO GET OUT OF TRAFFIC ONTO SIDE ROAD AND STOP. TURNED KEY TO OFF AND THEN TRIED TO START CAR AGAIN. IT…"~74,900 mi, complaint #1634402
- #10
wiring harness
1 stranded, 8 unsafe
9incidentsCommonly reported, insufficient mileage data - n=11, median 37,500 mi, no reliable range below 25 reports.
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. WHILE DRIVING AT AN UNKNOWN SPEED, THE VEHICLE BEGAN TO RIDE ROUGHLY AND THE ENGINE HESITATED. WHILE THE CONTACT WAS INSPECTING UNDER THE HOOD, A BURNING ODOR WAS PRESENT. IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT A WIRE HARNESS H…"~10,000 mi, complaint #1556699
- "ABOUT 3700 MILES THE A/C STOPPED BLOWING COLD AIR. VEHICLE EQUIPPED WITH R134A. PUT MY GAUGES ON VEHICLE WAY LOW ADD SOME STOP LEAK W/LEAK DETECTOR. FOUND THAT THE VALVE IN REAR A/C LEAKING. AROUND SAME TIME DRIVER REAR SLIDING DOOR STOPPED UNLOCKING AND OPENI…"~37,700 mi, complaint #1553140
- "MY 2016 DGC STARTED BUZZING WHEN EVER YOU LOCK AND UNLOCK DOOR. IT STARTED A MONTH AGO AND NOW IT DRAINED MY BATTERY. MECHANIC THINKS IT'S RELATED TO THE DOOR. THE COST TO GET IT FIXED IS OVER $500, I'M A DISABLED VET I CAN'T AFFORD THAT, AS WELL AS THERE HUND…"~50,000 mi, complaint #1747017
- "I'VE BEEN HAVING ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS SINCE I GOT THE VAN AT SOME POINT WHILE I'M DRIVING ALL THE GAGES WOULD START FLASHING ACTING LIKE IT WAS TRYING TO DIE SOME CASES IT DID SOME CASES IT DID NOT BUT WHEN I STOPPED THE DASHBOARD HAD LOST ALL POWER TO IT NO I…"~74,000 mi, complaint #1555483
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated that while driving at an undetermined speed, the vehicle was being hacked and she was being contacted with negative instructions. The contact stated that it was difficult to drive while the hacker…"~105,205 mi, complaint #1870763
- #11
acceleration loss or hesitation
6 unsafe
6incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=8)
- "ALL OF THE SUDDEN, I HAVE NO POWER TO EVEN GET OVER 40 MPH. GREAT TO HAPPEN IN A BUSY CITY WITH MY CHILD IN THE CAR RECOVERING FROM SURGERY. HAD TO PULL OVER AND GET A RIDE HOME."~69,000 mi, complaint #1690062
- "RPM STARTED BOUNCING BETWEEN 5-7K THEN I COULDN'T ACCELERATE ON FREEWAY AND KEPT LOSING SPEED. HAD TO ACCELERATE HARD TO GET TO THE SIDE OF FREEWAY"~101,316 mi, complaint #1734511
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated while driving at an undisclosed speed, the vehicle lost motive power. The traction control and two other unknown warning lights were illuminated. The vehicle was able to be restarted, but the fail…"~105,000 mi, complaint #2026827
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated that while driving approximately 25 MPH, the RPM’s increased with the accelerator pedal depressed; however, the vehicle failed to exceed 25 MPH. On another occasion, while driving at an undisclose…"~108,000 mi, complaint #1836129
- #12
engine head gasket
6 unsafe
6incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=6)
- "WHEN EXITING THE FREEWAY, THE POWER GAVE OUT AND THE STEERING WHEEL LOCKED UP. HOWEVER, THE CAR DID NOT SHUT DOWN IT WAS STILL RUNNING BUT WAS UNABLE TO STEER. THE ENGINE LIGHT IS ON, HAD IT CHECKED OUT AND THERE'S ISSUES WITH THE HEADS. THERE HAS BEEN EXTENDE…"~66,700 mi, complaint #1708779
- "WAS SITTING AT GAS STATION WITH THE VAN AT AN IDLE. THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON. AFTER RUNNING DIAGNOSTICS IT WAS DETERMINED IT HAD A CYLINDER 4 MISFIRE. I HAD THE SPARK PLUG AND IGNITION COIL REPLACED AND STILL HAVE THE CYLINDER 4 MISFIRE. HAS BEEN DETERMI…"~73,000 mi, complaint #1631805
- "TE LEFT CYLINDER HEAD WENT BAD AT 80,000 MILES"~80,000 mi, complaint #1627689
- "LEFT CYLINDER HEAD FAILURE. "PENTASTAR TICK" CYLINDER 2 MISSFIRE, RANDOM MISSFIRE. LOSS OF POWER IN MOTION. NO OVERHEATING. JUST FAULTY MECHANINCAL FAILURE. THIS IS COVERED UP UNTIL 2014. SAME ENGINE. SAME PROBLEMS!"~110,000 mi, complaint #1731056
- #13
engine oil consumption
6 unsafe
6incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=5)
- "WHEN I GOT HOME FROM WORK ON 09.30.18 AND PARKED WE NOTICED OIL LEAKING UNDERNEATH THE VAN. WHEN WE TOOK THE VAN TO OUR MECHANIC, BECAUSE IT WAS OVER 36,000 MILES, 36,208 MILES TO BE EXACT, HE DISCOVERED A CRACKED OIL FILTER HOUSING. HE LET US KNOW THAT IT WAS…"~36,208 mi, complaint #1504136
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated that while driving 55 MPH, the contact's husband smelled an abnormal burning odor coming from the front of the vehicle. Upon inspection, both the contact and her husband noticed that there was an…"~85,000 mi, complaint #2157849
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated that while driving at various speeds, the vehicle stalled with the oil warning light illuminated. The contact had taken the vehicle to a dealer and was informed the vehicle was using an excessive…"~126,000 mi, complaint #1872983
- "SIGNIFICANT OIL LEAK ON 2016 GRAND CARAVAN DUE TO OIL FILTER HOUSING CRACK. MECHANIC WAS CAREFUL NOT TO OVER TORQUE AND LEAK DID NOT OCCUR UNTIL OUTSIDE TEMPERATURES DROPPED BELOW ZERO. LEAK WAS DISCOVERED WHILE VEHICLE WAS STATIONARY BC OF LARGE PUDDLE OF OIL…"~130,000 mi, complaint #1730451
- #14
torque converter
1 stranded, 4 unsafe
5incidentsCommonly reported, insufficient mileage data - n=20, median 94,000 mi, no reliable range below 25 reports.
- "WHILE DRIVING ALONG ON THE HIGHWAY ON A BRIDGE THE VEHICLE STARTED TO BUCK AND JERK COULD NOT SELECT ANY GEARS TRANSMISSION WAS SLIPPING A LOUD WHINING HIGH PITCH SOUND CAME FROM THE TRANSMISSION AREA CHECK ENGINE SYMBOL CAME ON I MANAGED TO GET VEHICLE OFF TH…"~41,425 mi, complaint #1617702
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE DRIVING AT AN UNDISCLOSED SPEED, THE VEHICLE FAILED TO ACCELERATE WITH AN ABNORMAL SOUND COMING FROM THE TRANSMISSION. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO KELLY CHRYSLER JEEP DODGE LOCATED AT…"~52,000 mi, complaint #1708673
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. WHILE DRIVING APPROXIMATELY 45 MPH, THERE WAS AN ABNORMAL SOUND EMITTING FROM THE TRANSMISSION. WHILE MAKING A RIGHT TURN WITH THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL DEPRESSED, THE VEHICLE FAILED TO RESPOND. IN ADDITION, THE CHE…"~76,000 mi, complaint #1527386
- #15
stability and traction control
4 unsafe
4incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=9)
- " I BOUGHT A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN WITH 77,438 MILES. THE VEHICLE RAN GREAT TILL THE END OF NOVEMBER 2018. AT WHICH TIME WE STARTED HAVING MAJOR ISSUES. 1ST THE VEHICLE WILL SELF ACCELERATE WITH TO EXCESSIVE SPEEDS OVER 80 MPH WITH NO ASSISTANCE. YOU HAVE T…"~10,300 mi, complaint #1544467
- "VEHICLE HAS POOR TRACTION AND IS PRONE TO SLIPPING IN WINTER SNOW CONDITIONS. WHILE DRIVING AS WELL AS WHEN PICKING UP SPEED AT INTERSECTIONS THE VEHICLE IS PRONE TO SLIDING AND HAS POOR TRACTION WHEN ACCELERATING."~12,000 mi, complaint #1341743
- "SHORTLY AFTER GETTING MY VAN I FELT THAT IT DID NOT HANDLE PROPERLY. I EXPERIECED HYDRO PLANNING WHEN BRAND NEW TO ME. TRACKING UPON ACCELERATION WAS PORE. VERY POOR TRACKING AT ACCELERATION GOING INTO A TURN AT START UP SPEED. I CALLED CHRYSLER AND THEY S…"~24,000 mi, complaint #1538537
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE TRACTION CONTROL WARNING LIGHT HAD ILLUMINATED ON THE INSTRUMENT PANEL AT VEHICLE START-UP. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE REMOTE START FAILED TO OPERATE AND THAT THE BRAKE LIGHTS INADVE…"~86,000 mi, complaint #1723157
- #16
throttle and pedal
4 unsafe
4incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=9)
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, WHILE DRIVING 40 MPH, THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL WAS DEPRESSED AND THE PASSING GEAR FAILED TO ACCELERATE. WHILE THE BRAKE PEDAL WAS DEPRESSED AND THE VEHICLE WAS STOPPED, THE ENGINE CONTINUED TO…"~30,000 mi, complaint #1410248
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. WHILE DRIVING, THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL BECAME STUCK AND THE VEHICLE CONTINUED TO ACCELERATE. THE CONTACT WAS ABLE TO SAFELY SHIFT THE VEHICLE INTO NEUTRAL AND MANUALLY PULL THE ACCELERATOR PEDAL BACK TO POSITION.…"~70,000 mi, complaint #1487061
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. WHILE STOPPED AT A RED LIGHT AND ATTEMPTING TO ACCELERATE, THE VEHICLE FAILED TO MOVE. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE RPMS INCREASED AND THE VEHICLE HESITATED. THE CONTACT ALSO STATED THAT THE BRAKE PEDAL FAILED TO…"~70,000 mi, complaint #1487409
- "WHEN APPROACHING A RED LIGHT GOING SLOW SPEED AND SLOWING DOWN, CAR SUDDENLY ACCELERATED AS IF IT WAS REGAINING CRUISE CONTROL SPEED, THEREFORE SLAMMING INTO THE CAR IN FRONT OF ME. PRESSING ON BREAK DID NOT HELP. IS THIS A RECALL ISSUE? I SEE OTHERS ON HERE W…"~73,000 mi, complaint #1690966
- #17
trunk or liftgate
4 unsafe
4incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=3)
- "THE BACK SLIDING DOOR IS STUCK IN THE CLOSED POSITION. THIS IS A PROBLEM EXPERIENCED BY MANY OWNERS IN MODELS MADE SENSE 2011. THE DOOR CAN NOT BE MANUALLY OR ELECTRONICALLY OPENED."~58,000 mi, complaint #1589786
- "THE LIFTGATE WILL NOT OPEN. SOMEDAYS IT WILL OPEN BY PUSH BUTTON OR BY THE FOB, BUT WHEN IT STOPS WORKING IT WILL BE WEEKS BEFORE IT STARTS TO WORK AGAIN. THE LIFTGATE WONT OPEN MANUALLY WHICH CAN BE A SAFETY HAZARD IF THERE WAS A. EMERGENCY. THE CAR IS PARKE…"~70,000 mi, complaint #1614815
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated while driving 58 MPH, the spoiler deck lid on the liftgate fractured and detached from the vehicle. The contact also became aware that the brake light was missing from the liftgate. The vehicle wa…"~109,086 mi, complaint #1908451
- #18
ac compressor and refrigerant
1 unsafe, 2 annoyance
3incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=2)
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. WHILE THE AIR CONDITIONER WAS ACTIVATED, THE FRONT PASSENGER SIDE VENTS BLEW OUT HOT AIR WITHOUT WARNING. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO MCCLANE MOTOR SALES ([REDACTED PHONE], LOCATED AT [REDACTED ADDRESS], NEWTON, IL…"~35,082 mi, complaint #1556836
- "WE HAVE A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN THAT HAS BEEN DIAGNOSED BY A MECHANIC TO NEED A REAR AC EVAPORATOR INSTALLED AT A COST OF OVER $1000.00. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE AS WE WERE TOLD IT IS A KNOWN MOPAR PROBLEM. AS THE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD FOR A FAMILY OF FIVE, I DON'…"~70,000 mi, complaint #1582884
- #19
brake hydraulics
3 unsafe
3incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=6)
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHEN THE BRAKE PEDAL WAS DEPRESSED AT VARIOUS SPEEDS, IT WENT TO THE FLOORBOARD THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER WHERE THE TECHNICIAN INFORMED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS OPERATING AS DESIGN…"~1,900 mi, complaint #1350701
- "WHEN I BRAKE HARD (FOR EXAMPLE AT A RED LIGHT), MY VAN SHUTS OFF. THIS HAS HAPPENED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE LAST MONTH."~95,000 mi, complaint #1648340
- "AS I DRIVE IT AND PUT INTO STOP ON STOP LIGHT. THE BREAK DIDN'T ENGAGE. I HAD TO STEP ALL THE WAY OUT AND IT ENGAGE. IT FELT LIKE I LOST THE BRAKE FLUID . BUT THEN AFTER THAT.. WHEN THE GREEN LIGHT WENT ON.. THE VAN JUST OPERATED ITSELF JUST FINE. AFTER FEW MO…"~104,000 mi, complaint #1669918
- #20
parking brake
3 unsafe
3incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=3)
- "I PUT THE VAN IN PARK. GOT OUT TO WALK AROUND AND GET A CAR SEAT & THE VAN STARTED MOVING IN REVERSE (BACK UP CAMERA WAS NOT ON) SO I KNOW I PUT IT IN PARK. THE VAN HIT ANOTHER CAR BESIDE ME AND IF I WAS NOT ABLE TO STOP IT IN TIME IT WOULD'VE HIT MY APARTMENT…"~64,000 mi, complaint #1501919
- #21
seatbelt and pretensioner
3 unsafe
3incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=1)
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated that soon after purchasing the vehicle, it was discovered that the second-row passenger’s side seat belt failed to latch as needed. The dealer was notified of the failure and the contact was infor…"~105,000 mi, complaint #2148348
- #22
tire failure
3 unsafe
3incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=2)
- "VEHICLE HAS SLIGHTLY OVER 17000 MILES AND FRONT TIRES ARE BALD. WE HAVE TAKEN TO DEALER FOR ALL SCHEDULED SERVICES AND TIRE ROTATIONS. LAST ROTATION OF TIRES 3/18 WITH NO COMMENT OR CAUTION FROM TECHNICIANS. DURING DISCUSSION WITH SERVICE MANAGER SHE HAD AL…"~17,200 mi, complaint #1494883
- #23
unintended acceleration
3 unsafe
3incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=3)
- "DRIVING MY RPM WOULD AUTOMATICALLY JUST KEEP GOING HIGH. THEN I'LL BE OK THEN IT WOULD GO HIGH WITHOUT ME HITTING GAS. IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I WAS SCARED DRIVING IT. HAD TO PULL OVER WITH HAZARDS ON CAUSE I COULDN'T ACCELERATE TO GET UP TO SPEED WITH…"~85,000 mi, complaint #1742985
- #24
brake pads and rotors
2 unsafe
2incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=2)
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. WHILE DRIVING APPROXIMATELY 65 MPH, THE CONTACT DETECTED AN ODOR OF HOT BRAKES. THE CONTACT PULLED THE VEHICLE OVER AND NOTICED THAT THE ODOR WAS VERY STRONG AROUND THE REAR DRIVER'S SIDE BRAKE ASSEMBLY ALONG WI…"~11,000 mi, complaint #1468824
- #25
glass and windshield
1 unsafe, 1 broken
2incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=1)
- "I HAD SOMEONE RUN A REDLIGHT & HIT MY RIGHT SIDE QUARTER PANEL BEHIND THE TIRE JUST BEFORE THE DOOR. MY RIGHT HEADLIGHT LENSE WAS CRACKED IN THE PROCESS. THE BODY SHOP TOLD ME IT'S DEFECTIVE PRIOR TO YOUR ACCIDENT BECAUSE IT'S NOT EVEN SEALED. I WAS TOLD TO CH…"~59,800 mi, complaint #1530424
- #26
heater core and blower
2 annoyance
2incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=1)
- "ALL OF A SUDDEN THE PASSENGER SIDE IS ONLY BLOWING HEAT NO COLD AIR."~60,000 mi, complaint #1572120
- #27
key fob and immobilizer
2 unsafe
2incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=4)
- "2C4RDGCG8GR[XXX] 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN WITH >28,000 ORIGINAL MILES. VIN # 2C4RDGCG8GR[XXX] 1ST ' A FEW WEEKS AGO THE ORIGINAL KEY FOB BEGAN NOT ALWAYS UNLOCKING THE DOORS OR STARTING THE CAR. I HAD A NEW BATTERY PUT IN KEY FOB BUT THE PROBLEMS CONTI…"~28,000 mi, complaint #1597393
- "2016 GRAND DODGE CARAVAN PASSENGER SLIDER DOOR DOES NOT OPEN OR CLOSE WITH KEY FOBE, OVERHEAD BUTTON OR MANUALLY. IT JUST STOPPED WORKING. SEEMS THAT THE DOOR IS IN THE LOCK POSITION. CANNOT MOVE THE UNLOCK/LOCK BUTTON ON THE DOOR. THIS IS A DANGER WITH CH…"~110,000 mi, complaint #1597060
- #28
noise or vibration unspecified
2 annoyance
2incidentsMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=2)
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. WHILE DRIVING 35 MPH, THERE WAS AN ABNORMAL NOISE COMING FROM THE REAR OF THE VEHICLE. THE FAILURE RECURRED ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO A DEALER, BUT THE CONTACT WAS UNSURE ABOUT WHAT PART NE…"complaint #1310616
- "There is a very loud buzzing noise that is detracting to when I drive. It is coming from the rear door. The first time I heard it I was able to stop it by opening the rear door but now it has started back up and won’t stop. It has been 2 weeks now. Again it is…"complaint #1852096
- #29
alignment and pull
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=0)
- "The steering and wheel alignment of the vehicle is habitually misaligned and pulling drastically to the right. The vehicle has been serviced and aligned multiple times, and the auto mechanic shop says that the alignment can no longer be set properly. They ch…"complaint #1868141
- #30
catalytic converter
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=0)
- "I HAVE HAD THE ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION REBUILT AND THE CAR IS NOT QUITE FOUR YEARS OLD. THE REAR AC HAS BEEN FIXED, THE T.V. THAT CAME WITH THE CAR HAS BEEN REPAIRED. THE DOOR LOCKS HAVE BEEN FIXED. THE FUEL INJECTED HAVE BEEN REPAIRED AND NOW I AM HAVING PROB…"complaint #1657260
- #31
differential
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=0)
- "Transmission differential began failing while driving. Van started clicking without warning or real cause. Moving to shop that specifically deals with transmissions. Had to have towed to avoid causing crash/more damage. "complaint #1901914
- #32
engine cooling
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=0)
- "Was told today the oil filter cooler has a small leak. Appears to be a prolific issue on Caravans that Dodge is ignoring. Presents a safety hazard if the leak gets too bad and an environmental hazard if they go unrepaired."complaint #1968575
- #33
engine mounts
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=0)
- "My 2016 dodge van began to lose power while i was on the freeway. While changing gears it was hesitant and would stall and lose power going from the second to the third gear. It appears the RPMs would go past 4 then the gear would change but with less power.…"complaint #1765684
- #34
evap system
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=0)
- "evap purge valve replaced still having issues. Also, today out of no where my vehicle started to slip when it was shifting gears, the engine is making a weird sound and slow when trying to give gas. "complaint #1938081
- #35
fluid leak unspecified
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=0)
- "All engine and interior is muddy, i brought it once for windows not working and motor got replace, transmission was replace now gasoline leaking and ac is not working, electric ports dont work"complaint #1871367
- #36
fuel injector
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=1)
- "CHECK ENGINE LIGHT COMES ON, CHECKED #2 CYLINDER MISSFIRE, HAD THE COIL CHANGED, THE FUEL INJECTOR CHANGED, LIGHT CAME BACK ON. 73000 MILES, DODGE RECALLED THE 2016 GRAND CARAVAN JUST NOT MY VIN NUMBER,I CALLED AND THEY WILL NOT DO THE REPAIR FOR FREE EVEN THO…"~68,000 mi, complaint #1602803
- #37
fuel pump
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=0)
- "The fuel pump stays on 24 hours a day even after the engine has been turned off. These are referred to online as TIPM Fuel Pump. The Dodge dealer wants to replace the entire box of fuses at a cost of 1000-1500. It is a known problem affecting thousands of…"complaint #1780907
- #38
fuel tank and lines
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=1)
- "VEHICLE CONVERTED BY ELDORADO NATIONAL SALINA KANSAS. I HAVE A FLEET OF 530 MINIVANS CONVERTED NOW CALLED AMERIVAN. WE HAVE HAD FUEL LEAK COMPLAINTS THAT GENERATED NHTSA RECALL 16V222. THE VEHICLE ON THIS COMPLAINT BLEW A FUEL LINE OFF THE VEHICLE ABOVE THE CA…"~15,000 mi, complaint #1391328
- #39
horn
1 annoyance
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=0)
- "2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. CONSUMER WRITES IN REGARDS TO AN ABNORMAL AMOUNT OF PRESSURE THAT MUST BE APPLIED TO OPERATE THE HORN. *SMD UPDATED 07/07/16.*JB"complaint #1274940
- #40
lighting exterior
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=0)
- "Headlamps started leaking water into them a year ago, problem is getting much worse. Unsafe to drive in rain as headlamps dim badly with water inside."complaint #1749466
- #41
power steering hydraulic
1 stranded
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=2)
- "The contact owns a 2016 Dodge Grand Caravan. The contact stated while his wife was driving at an undisclosed speed, she heard an abnormal sound coming from the engine compartment. The contact's wife noticed white smoke coming from under the hood with the chec…"~90,000 mi, complaint #1948263
- #42
starter
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=1)
- "A FEW TIMES WHEN TURNING THE KEY TO START THE VAN IT DID NOT START OR TURN OVER. TURNED KEY BACK AND TRIED RESTARTING AND IT STARTED UP. TODAY WHILE DRIVING THE DASH LIGHTS ALL FLASHED AND THE VAN STARTED TO QUIT. NO WARNINGS OF ANY KIND THIS WAS ABOUT TO HAP…"~120,000 mi, complaint #1658344
- #43
steering rack mechanical
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=3)
- "7.5K MILES ON VEHICLE, MOVING FROM A PARKING SPOT THE ESC LIGHT CAME ON, THEN THE RACK AND PINION COMPLETELY SNAPPED. THE VEHICLE IS INOPERABLE. HAD MY FAMILY AND MYSELF BEEN ON THE HIGHWAY AND THIS HAPPENED WOULD'VE RESULTED IN SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH."~7,500 mi, complaint #1298977
- #44
suspension arms and bushings
1 annoyance
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=0)
- "There is a creaking noise in the front end of the Dodge Caravan. Upon inspection at a service station, it was identified as a bushing that was partially missing on the front subframe crossmember attachment to the chassis. When attempting to purchase a replac…"complaint #1814863
- #45
suspension struts shocks
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=1)
- "DRIVER SIDE STRUT FAILED. THE STRUT MAKES A TERRIBLE SQUEAKING SOUND AS YOU DRIVE. I TOOK IT TO A MECHANIC AND HE SAID "YEP THIS IS A KNOWN ISSUE, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT". BOTH FRONT STRUTS HAVE TO BE REPLACED. WHY ISN'T THIS A WARRANTY…"~66,000 mi, complaint #1628176
- #46
transmission manual clutch
1 unsafe
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=1)
- #47
unknown
1 annoyance
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=0)
- "Transmission. Available for inspection No it has not been reproduced or confirmed by anyone No it has not been inspected Check engine around 8 months ago"complaint #1972795
- #48
wheel bearing
1 broken
1incidentMileage: suppressed (fewer than 10 mileage-bearing reports; n=2)
- "TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2016 DODGE GRAND CARAVAN. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE FRONT DRIVER SIDE WHEEL HAD BECOME BENT. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER WHERE IT WAS DIAGNOSED THAT THE DRIVER SIDE FRONT BEARING HAD FAILED CAUSING DAMAGE TO THE FRONT AXLE. THE…"~23,000 mi, complaint #1370082
NHTSA investigations
- PE21016 - Sliding Doors Inoperative (LATCHES/LOCKS/LINKAGES:DOORS:LOCK) - closed 20220722
- PE19014 - Active Head Rest Inadvertent Deployment (SEATS, SEATS:FRONT ASSEMBLY:HEAD RESTRAINT) - closed 20260225
Search NHTSA's own recall and complaint database for DODGE GRAND CARAVAN directly.